I shall produce meta before I go to the comics store and pay money to Marvel to have my heart ripped out. (And after comics, comes the Library of Congress visit and then quality time with microfilm. I've found that the research for my history project becomes more interesting if I think of it as 'Stalking Dead People').

Anyway, meta:
Recently, I've found myself wanting to read not just the sort of opera-like plotty H/c epics that are my not-so-secret fannish delight, but less dramatic scenarios as well.



Way back when, when I first entered fandom as an 18 fresh out of high school, I had no interest in fluffy, domestic fic (with the exception of a few Remus/Sirius fics of the "Lie Low at Lupin's" sort, with the bathing and the soup and... but those were more of a subsiduary of h/c anyway). I wanted action. I wanted drama. I wanted plotty gen and long, angsty het and/or slash romantic sagas. I wanted H/c like there was no tomorrow. Curtainfic was boring and could go hang itself.

The only time I really had much of an interest in characters doing everyday things like, say, shopping, was if it was funny.

These days... I don't know if it's because I'm finally old enough to want some domesticity and home-building of my own, or if it's because I've fallen so hard for various comics characters over the past year, but now I crave (good) domesticity fic.

I want Matt Murdock and Foggy Nelson bantering while preparing legal briefs. I want Jay Garrett and Alan Scott on a road trip together, possibly with Powergirl and Wildcat bickering in the backseat. I want Flashes and Green Lanterns going to Starbucks together ("I'll have a tall capuccino with three shots of sugar syrup and a chocolate-chip cookie. No, make that four cookies." "And I'll have plain, black coffee and two of Barry's cookies. Um... oh, damn. Barry, can I borrow a dollar?"). I want happy, fluffy Avengers teamfic--volume 3 Avengers, or vol 1, or early New Avengers before it all went to hell--where they watch movies, or have Thanksgiving dinner, or, like, go to baseball games or something. I want reams worth of Cap/Iron Man denialfic where they spar together and have dinner dates wherein they discuss Avengers team stuff and oh, wait, that used to be canon ^_^. Regardless, there should be fic about it.

Of course, I also still want long, action-packed emo-porn Marvel-verse epics and Daredevil/Elektra pr0n, and really good H/c is still my fic holy grail. And if anyone wrote cracked-out Maya Hanson/She-Ultron femslash, I would love you forever.

And a long, action-packed emo-porn Avengers denialfic with H/c and Cap/Iron Man shippiness would make my year. Especially if it had Winter Soldier and Nick Fury in it. And Hawkeye. And was blatant, unapologetic wish-fulfillment fixit fic for Civil War.
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From: [identity profile] htbthomas.livejournal.com


H/c? Forgive me not knowing the meaning of that... :$

Well, I don't write any of those pairings... just your average run-of-the-mill Peter/MJ shipper (boring, I know - but people seem to like them, and I'm a traditionalist at heart). But I would probably read yours! :)

From: [identity profile] elspethdixon.livejournal.com


H/c = Hurt/comfort, a major fannish genre back in the heyday of zines and mailing lists (I capitalized the "H" because I prefer such fics to devote equal or greater amount of emphasis to the hurt the character goes through--there's also a subgenre called "smarm" where the emphasis is predominantly on the comfort, with a side of syrupy-sweetness). Essentially, h/c is the fannish label for the "I like it when characters get beat up real good" kink.

Peter and MJ totally need fluffy domestic fic, too. The scenes between the two of them were some of my favorite parts of the Straczynski run.

From: [identity profile] tavella.livejournal.com


And a long, action-packed emo-porn Avengers denialfic with H/c and Cap/Iron Man shippiness would make my year. Especially if it had Winter Soldier and Nick Fury in it. And Hawkeye. And was blatant, unapologetic wish-fulfillment fixit fic for Civil War.

I have this undeniable desire for a fic where it all goes to shit (as we know it *should*, given what has happened), the apocalyptic future starts to kick in, the superheroes try to rally to stop it, Tony joins in because he's realized how wrong he was (you probably have to toss in some mental influence to explain it all), they are losing, Cap returns to rally them to eventual success (it's in his character template, dammit: Arthur, the sleeping king who returns in the hour of greatest need.)

All of which is partially just an excuse for the emo-porn scene where Tony figures Steve won't even want to talk to him, much less forgive him... and breaks down when Cap forgives him.

Yes, I'm 12. But Marvel is stomping all over my all ready ripped out heart so I need to be 12!

From: [identity profile] elspethdixon.livejournal.com


you probably have to toss in some mental influence to explain it all

That's where She-Ultron comes in. And the Extremis virus. (See, Marvel makes it easy for us like that).

All of which is partially just an excuse for the emo-porn scene where Tony figures Steve won't even want to talk to him, much less forgive him... and breaks down when Cap forgives him.

Would it make me sound like an emo little girl to admit that I already have that entire scene blocked out in my head? With dialogue?

From: [identity profile] tavella.livejournal.com


That's where She-Ultron comes in. And the Extremis virus.

The Knaufs even set up potential foreshadowing for the Extremis excuse.

Would it make me sound like an emo little girl to admit that I already have that entire scene blocked out in my head? With dialogue?

Well, if you are an emo little girl then I'm an emo little girl, cause I want to hear it. Share!

From: [identity profile] elspethdixon.livejournal.com


*grins* I blocked it out in collaboration with [livejournal.com profile] seanchai during a phone conversation, so I'd need to transcribe it... oh, some time later, when I'm not supposed to be looking at microfilms for class.

As best as I can recall from last night, it had, like, crying (the kind where you have your face turned away from someone and hidden in your hands) and mutual apologies of varying degrees of deservedness, and ended with Steve saying, "If we want to have a prayer of fixing things, we're going to have to work together again," which technically referred to the scketchily conceived disaster they were trying to avert, but was totally also about their relationship.

And then Spiderman showed up just in time to ruin the dramatic moment by stammering, "I know I've already told you this, but I'm really, really glad you're not dead anymore." *pause* "How come you're hanging out with him?" And Steve would strongly suggest that MJ was waiting for him at home.

The other thing we decided was that Nick Fury would have to return to SHIELD, to be enthusiastically welcomed back by Dugan in a moving display of emotion ("Thank God you're back, sir! They replaced you with some hotshot civilian who put up a suggestion box. Never leave me again!!!").

From: [identity profile] tavella.livejournal.com


And then Spiderman showed up just in time to ruin the dramatic moment by stammering, "I know I've already told you this, but I'm really, really glad you're not dead anymore." *pause* "How come you're hanging out with him?" And Steve would strongly suggest that MJ was waiting for him at home.

See! This is where you are better than me, putting Spidey in gives it just enough note of humor to keep from being completely Mercedes Lackey emo-porn. I definitely want to see the whole transcription when you do it.

("Thank God you're back, sir! They replaced you with some hotshot civilian who put up a suggestion box. Never leave me again!!!")

Bwa-haha!

From: [identity profile] likeadeuce.livejournal.com


Rrrr, but. . .

I know it's Marvel, and they'll do whatever they feel like, but do you really want them to take the "devil made them do it" route rather than "he thinks he's doing the right thing?"

From: [identity profile] tavella.livejournal.com


Oh, not really in the comic -- though how they are ever going to sell Tony and Steve ever speaking to each other more than briefly and brusquely is going to be a stretch -- but in fanfic, yes, because I'd like them to speak more than briefly and brusquely!

From: [identity profile] elspethdixon.livejournal.com


They kind of did both in canon, with Tony obviously thinking he did the right thing (though it wasn't worth it), but with the Extremis-related craziness possibly influencing his decisions.

From: [identity profile] likeadeuce.livejournal.com


At the same time I bought The Confession, I also bought the 1998 annual where Tony and Steve are fighting about Tony erasing people's memories of his identity, and it is such a domestic married-people fight. For reals, Scott and Jean never had married fights this good.

From: [identity profile] elspethdixon.livejournal.com


Oooh, that's the one where they go to a random island filled with cult members and fight Modok! And Tony gets all beat up.

I think my favorite bit is when Steve is like "Come up with a plan, damnit," and Tony is all "All my plans are evil, remember!" That, or the "shut up and let me drive the floating force bubble" argument.
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