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elspethdixon) wrote2009-03-10 07:11 pm
elspethdixon) wrote2009-03-10 07:11 pm
Did it revert to 1906 when I wasn't looking?
There's a lot of thought provoking meta out there right now vis-a-vis race and fandom.
Then there's statements like this:
The Emmett Till murder shows that race relations were different between Chicago and deep south Mississippi. The fact that Till didn't know to keep his head down and not admire the white women in town shows exactly how different his social awareness was from the local population. [bold emphasis mine]*
No. Just no.
Also, didn't we establish that "Evil black men want to rape white women" as a justification for murdering people was a lie a very long time ago? (Seriously, we discussed it in a graduate history seminar I was enrolled in. People have done studies of white-on-black lynching cases, and found that most of the victims were innocent of the crimes they were accused of, and men accused of raping white women were almost invariably innocent).
* from comment here. I'd recommend not engaging, though I was unable to resist the temptation to do so.
Also, for context wikipedia bio of Emmett Till. He was 14 when he was killed.
Then there's statements like this:
The Emmett Till murder shows that race relations were different between Chicago and deep south Mississippi. The fact that Till didn't know to keep his head down and not admire the white women in town shows exactly how different his social awareness was from the local population. [bold emphasis mine]*
No. Just no.
Also, didn't we establish that "Evil black men want to rape white women" as a justification for murdering people was a lie a very long time ago? (Seriously, we discussed it in a graduate history seminar I was enrolled in. People have done studies of white-on-black lynching cases, and found that most of the victims were innocent of the crimes they were accused of, and men accused of raping white women were almost invariably innocent).
* from comment here. I'd recommend not engaging, though I was unable to resist the temptation to do so.
Also, for context wikipedia bio of Emmett Till. He was 14 when he was killed.
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Many people should make sure they're talking with an appropriate filter attached between the word-making grey lump in their head and the word-spewing black hole on their face. There are very many attractive models of filters, easily interchangeable. One for polite society, one for not-so-polite society, one for the guys down at the pub, one for the parents, one for the in-laws, on for politicians, etc., etc...
But the saddest, saddest moments happen when someone forgets to put one in at all. Then, "HELLO, Everything you never wanted to know about what I randomly think." If their grey lump is still functioning okay and just missing a filter, they'll usually be nice enough to present their thoughts in paragraph form (mostly). It's when the grey lump's a little, well, in less than optimal condition, you get, "I R tAlKIN liKe, uH, MEEZ. CuZ IM RIGHT, biTchEs. l8r."
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ETA: She actually thanks people for their help with her research. O HAI, I IZ TROLL. I BE MANIPULATIN U FOR MAH LEARNINGS.
Then she says that it's not black fans' job to educate white fans... except obviously, when that white fan is her.
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I could rant forever about all the stupid and shitty things she says, but others have done it better, so I'll stick to the part that applies to me.
I am fat. I suffer for this physically; I suffer a great deal emotionally, because my family have proven time and time again that they see me losing weight as a priority over me being happy. I won't pretend that being fat is easy.
BUT. I would never, ever be so fucking arrogant as to mention discrimination against obesity alongside racism, or sexism, or antisemitism, or discrimination against the disabled. Not only because the discrimination isn't at all on the same level, but because when you get right down to it, I could choose not to be fat. Nobody gets to choose not to be a PoC, or not to be a woman, or not to have a Jewish heritage, or not to have a disability.
So, saying that a fat white woman suffers the same as a black woman is crap. In case anyone but
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She's demonstrating her entitlement all over the net, too. I mean, I normally shy away from throwing the word "entitlement" around in fandom, because people usually use it to mean "daring to think other people ought to be polite to you" or "daring to have a negative opinion about a source-canon storyline and to think the source would be better if [X]," but in this case? The fact that she manipulated people in order to watch them dance for her and then shut the conversation down the moment she decided that she'd gotten everything she needed out of it makes it really obvious that in her head, it's All. About. Her. (so it wouldn't entirely surprise me if she honestly did agree with the "Don't tell me about your pain! Mine is so much worse!" part).
Some of the things she said were openly hurtful, angering, and insensitive, and the fact that she revealed that she'd apparently said them all deliberately and knowingingly just to watch people's reactions to self-righteous racist rhetoric... words fail me. I'd call her a troll, but even trolls don't usually have the effrontry to *thank people* for helping them with their social research when they're done trolling.
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(Anonymous) 2009-03-11 05:47 pm (UTC)(link)But if it's true this time, I almost wish we had Wall Shitterly around, just so I could be sure I never inadvertently waste my money or time on this person's writings.
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Also wanted to say, I agree with you re: how the word entitlement usually gets used in fandom. But then, the last couple months have amply demonstrated that some fans use a lot of words that don't mean what they think they mean...
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