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elspethdixon ([personal profile] elspethdixon) wrote2006-12-27 07:01 pm
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Like I need a new comic title to fangirl...

Ah, wikipedia, friend to lazy comics fans everywhere.

I always thought of Daredevil as a DC-type hero transplanted into the Marvel Universe. Now I know why--apparently, Frank Miller worked on the title back in the 70s. He's responsible for Elektra. (Okay, he also did a lot of good things for Daredevil, including ditching the 60s goofiness, bringing the Kingpin in, and introducing the noir style the title's had ever since, but… God, I loathe his recent writing for DC so much that it kills me to admit to liking anything he's responsible for).

Also: God, Matt, you're a ho. You've slept with almost as many women as Bruce Wayne, and they've all died or gone evil or both. Or dumped you. Or been Tony Stark's exes. Or some lethal combination of all of the above. I vote that you give up and start dating either your business partner or Luke Cage. Given the choice between Elektra and Power Man, I know who I'd pick. (I hate Elektra. Hate, hate, hate. She and Domino should run away to the Middle East or someplace and be skanky assassin whores who are bad for people together. Their respective main guys would be much better off without them. Luke Cage, on the other hand, is pretty cool when he's not being written stupidly).

[livejournal.com profile] seanchai, to the best of my newly-enhanced-by-wikipedia knowledge, Elektra has never come back from the dead as an evil clone. However--and clearly, this is yet another instance of us being psychic--she has worked for the Kingpin as an assassin. He ordered her to assassinate Foggy Nelson (he was all, "Dude, you're Matt's ex-girlfriend, what the hell?" and she couldn't do it). Bullseye then stabbed her in a stupid macho argument about which of them would get to be the Kingpin's top assassin. She went to Matt's house and died in his arms, so as to ensure that her death caused him the maximum amount of emotional trauma. Then random ninja people brought her back from the dead, via a combination of Exotic Ninja Magic ™ and Marvel!Science that caused her to spilt into two people: Glowy Magic Mary Sue Elektra Good Elektra and Nega-Elektra Erynys. She killed Erynys and absorbed her evil half back into herself. Also, she and Matt have both shown up in Ultimates verse: he's a law student at Columbia with essentially the same powers and backstory, and she's a fellow Columbia student with martial arts training and issues. Her father dies, there is angst, and she goes all vendetta on his killers.

Also, in the Marvel Mangaverse miniseries, she's all evil and totally cuts Matt in half with her stupid trident daggers.

Theirloveissotrue.

I therefore posit that Evil!Crazy!Clone!Elektra be named Erynys. And that we check out the Ultimate Daredevil/Elektra miniseries and use it as backstory.

[identity profile] seanchai.livejournal.com 2006-12-28 08:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly! And then, even though she's kind of evil, she'd also be all sympathetic, and you'd feel bad for both of them.

Plus, in our version, she'd totally have a coherent and non-stupid backstory. You know, one that doesn't read like it was written by a thirteen year old girl just discovering the joys of Mary Sues.

[identity profile] elspethdixon.livejournal.com 2006-12-28 09:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, yeah, she has that whole random retcon thing going with her backstory in 616-canon, doesn't she?

I'll see if I can dig something up on her Ultimate-verse backstory. It ought to at least be internally consistant, given that she was only featured in a few issues and a miniseries.

Also, further research on scans_daily has turned up a comic from 1997 where Daredevil teams up with Deadpool (and Foggy and Weasel go drinking together). Best exchange:
"Are we there yet?"
"Why do you keep asking me that?"
"Because I'm waiting for you to say 'not yet, my little smurf.' Don't you ever watch the cartoon network?"
"Why, God? Why was it the eyes and not the ears?"

[identity profile] seanchai.livejournal.com 2006-12-28 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
With Ultimates-verse, she's got three separate backstories, none of which work with any of the others.

And my God, that's brilliant. Ah, Deadpool, making all Marvel-verse a better place for the past ten years.

[identity profile] elspethdixon.livejournal.com 2006-12-28 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
With Ultimates-verse, she's got three separate backstories, none of which work with any of the others

Since that was written over the course of about six years rather than thirty and involveda much smaller number of writers, and Ultimates is suposed to be an attempt at rebooting things with less confusing backstory stuff, you'd think they could do better than the regular comic continuity.

But no, Elektra's sekrit super-power of always being wrtten badly intervenes again.